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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome to the first

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that ufo podcast the other show we are

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on kg ra and we are very pleased to be

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here my name is andy and joining me is

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dan dan how are we doing

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i'm great it's great to be here and it's

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uh great to make our debut

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be beware dan what do you mean be here

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uh be in this windowed space that we're

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in i'm stuck here

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yes so um welcome if you are one of our

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existing listeners following us over

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from that ufo podcast which of course is

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not going anywhere this is just a new

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show that we're doing exclusively for kg

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ra and hello if you are one of the kgra

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platform users who are finding us for

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the first time you've probably guessed

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by now that we are not from the us

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canada or or south america even i could

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we're not from but we we are based in

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live in england and dan you are from

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uh south wales if you know the show

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gavin and stacy right where that was at

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south wales is basically the other part

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of london that london didn't want

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we're based in the uk and of course we

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going to be on weekly

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weekly and it's very much going to be

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over to the listeners for what you want

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the show to be we are really happy with

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having some interviews on this today we

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have an interview with ralph blumenthal

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award-winning new york times journalist

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some footage that they've sent over some

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phenomenon as well and we have been

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itself and and your your research and

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john mack and how important was his work

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experience during the night so here's a

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missing at that time but in some cases

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very complicated story

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reduce a reduced stigma if he was doing

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the same work now as he done back then

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controversial somehow than ufos but you

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can take your pick

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that report that came out june 25th

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says

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bluntly

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that these things

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exist

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we don't know you know we the government

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doesn't know where they come from

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uh

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whether they're intelligent or not

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uh how they got here what they want with

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us but that's a big step forward so i

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think

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john mack would be encouraged to hear

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from the government

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that they are now confirming that ufos

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at least exist now they're not saying

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anything about

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aliens

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because they don't know and we don't

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know

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and they prefer not to speculate

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but as i said john mack found this

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association

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between

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ufo people who uh you know uh claimed or

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seemed to remember some kind of an

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abduction experience also remembered

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often a ufo

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um

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know what he would think today i think

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he would he was he was very courageous

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um

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and i i think he would just plow ahead

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and try to figure this thing out i mean

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it remains a colossal mystery

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i would love to know your thoughts ralph

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on the galileo project which is headed

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up by avi leweb who's been on the

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podcast several times do you think that

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an institution or company will start to

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collect experience or data in a modern

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and scientific way

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well i've been on shows with every lobe

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i have great respect for him in a way he

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is continuing

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the

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courageous path of john mack although he

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keeps a great distance between himself

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and

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alien encounter stories he um

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that's a

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big thing with him he prefers not to

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deal with the imperfect instruments of

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of of human beings uh he prefers

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telescopes and scientific measurement i

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mean that's where he's coming from

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um

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i think his his instincts are right that

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they are looking for

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uh ways of confirming

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uh these stories and um

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i mean for example uh the story he told

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in um

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about this object that

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sailed into our solar system in 2017 and

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then sailed out

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before anybody really knew what it was

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he makes a compelling case

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that this was an intelligently

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design built and and control or at least

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maybe not controlled but

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dispatched

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object in other words it was not a

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meteorite it was not natural it was

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some because it changed its trajectory

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it speeded up i mean all the things that

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made it suspicious to him that it was

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not natural

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so his instincts are right i mean that

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we have to look scientifically at this

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and he faults the scientific

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establishment just like john mack did

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for being a you know blinker blinkered

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vision

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um and not seeing what they don't want

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to see

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um you know very um orthodox and

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conservatives i mean scientists are

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supposed to be adventurous

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and um you know

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explorers of the unknown but

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this field has

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intimidated many of them too many of

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them

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so um in his book avi loeb calls for

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science to be uh

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more open uh to um to the mysterious and

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uh he and john mack would have would

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and do you think to truly explore the

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experience or phenomenon that there has

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to be a happy medium of that human

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element the stories uh as well as the

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science or do you think they can live

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independently from each other well the

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stories you know are anecdotal

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and the problem is that um

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unlike

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ufos

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which have been you know captured by

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navy

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measuring devices

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on the on the jets on the f-18s and by

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the by navy ships on radar etc

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um unlike that which is given a physical

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um

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existence of physical confirmation

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physical reality to ufos or uap

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um

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alien encounters haven't had that

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they famously

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frustrate all efforts to capture them on

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video photography

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any kinds of you know imaging devices

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for reasons that remain mysterious this

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phenomenon

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is very shy

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it doesn't let itself be

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tracked

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now

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so that makes it different really from

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ufos in other words there is evidence

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you know scientific evidence of the

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physical existence of ufos there

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is not

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the same evidence certainly uh of of

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alien encounters so we are left with the

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human factor

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now john max said that the the the

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science of witnessing

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uh which by the way we accept in court

422
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you know people get convicted and

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sentenced to death based on witness

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accounts

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so we do accept that that witnessing has

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to be uh refined and accepted as a

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scientific tool

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more than it has um

429
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but i think um

430
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um again

431
00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:56,560
making note of the dichotomy of the ufos

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and

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experiencer accounts

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leaves a lot of opening

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for scientific

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uh exploration of these experiencer

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accounts

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ralph if someone picks up your book the

439
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believer what do you hope they take away

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from after reading

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i hope they they see the courageousness

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the courage of a john mack uh who really

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um risked his uh esteemed career by the

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way he as i say he he wanted he was a

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pulitzer prize winner uh he had um

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distinguished himself on the harvard

447
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faculty for he started mental health

448
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services for the poor in cambridge

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um he was a anti-war protester

450
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anti-nuclear weapons he

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uh traveled the middle east trying to

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make peace

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between the israelis and the arabs we

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know how that turned out not his fault

455
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but he was very courageous and he was

456
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willing to risk his his reputation and

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his career

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to delve into things that um other

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professors and scientists are

460
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very wary of doing

461
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so um i think that's one um

462
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:12,000
big takeaway from my book i think the

463
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courage of somebody to take on an

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unpopular subject subject of ridicule

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and he did

466
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:20,480
you know come in for quite a bit of

467
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ridicule from his colleagues and and the

468
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press and cartoons making fun of him

469
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uh but he was willing to risk that so i

470
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think that that's probably the number

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one takeaway and also

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uh the the complexity of the issue

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um i start my book with a story of a

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conference at mit in 1992 that drew john

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mack and atomic scientists and

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psychiatrists and folklorists and

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religious scholars um

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all grappling with this mystery

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um and it is a mystery and the so-called

480
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debunkers and skeptics who have a flip

481
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answer

482
00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:59,600
uh to this like oh it's you know sleep

483
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paralysis oh it's it's uh

484
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publicity-seeking these people are

485
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looking for

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you know

487
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:09,640
fame um or mental illness or or

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hallucinations

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i mean a lot of

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you know theories have been thrown out

491
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there none of which

492
00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,160
really get you very far once you look

493
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:20,720
into it so i think um

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the second big takeaway is the

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complexity of the issue and it is a real

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mystery um

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and the more you get into it the more

498
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if people want to hear a longer and more

499
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,280
detailed interview with yourself ralph

500
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and the book they can check out our

501
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:41,200
interview on youtube and audio platforms

502
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it was episode 38 if people want to look

503
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:45,440
back but i would strongly encourage

504
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anyone to go out and pick up the

505
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believer alien encounters hard science

506
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:52,000
and the passion of john mack by ralph

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blumenthal ralph thank you very much for

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your time

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thank you

510
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hopefully enjoyed that one folks that

511
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,240
was our exclusive with ralph blumenthal

512
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:02,400
on his book the believer which is about

513
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:05,360
the life and times of researcher john

514
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mack dan you are with me for the

515
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,320
interview people can check out a longer

516
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,799
form version of that that we recorded

517
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,640
back in april when we first spoke to

518
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:16,720
ralph you can check out on that ufo

519
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:18,960
podcast on youtube or you can check it

520
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,600
out on any audio platform as well we go

521
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,600
into in a lot more detail and do some

522
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:25,440
listener questions off the back of that

523
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too um

524
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:28,720
we also spoke to ralph recently when

525
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recorded that interview about his recent

526
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article in the debrief that we will

527
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we'll also discuss as part of this as

528
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well but dan what were your thoughts in

529
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your word you were with me for the

530
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,440
interview with ralph um and has become

531
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john mack

532
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:44,480
it was it was a fascinating interview

533
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,280
ralph is such a gentleman um it's always

534
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,360
intimidating to to talk to very

535
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,679
experienced people let alone a you know

536
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,600
pulitzer winner um but he was

537
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,360
fascinating you know we we discussed

538
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,360
everything from or you guys discussed

539
00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:59,440
everything i should say from uh

540
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:02,240
experiences um the relationships to ufos

541
00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:03,679
because of course not everyone gets

542
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:06,370
abducted sees the ufo and vice versa um

543
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,520
[Music]

544
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:09,760
why the recent piece the db debrief

545
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,320
piece wasn't in the new york times um

546
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:14,480
and interestingly we

547
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,600
you guys spoke about the wilson

548
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:17,360
documents and ralph said that they were

549
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:19,760
never actually in the article um so they

550
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:22,000
weren't cut from you know the article

551
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:23,360
that came out a while ago that everyone

552
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,360
thought um they were just never in there

553
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:27,360
and it never got to the i guess the high

554
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,320
level of proof it needed to to be put in

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00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,240
the new york times yeah i thought he was

556
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,760
going to spit on me at that point when i

557
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,679
when i brought that up uh but yeah he

558
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,440
very quickly let us know that you know

559
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,280
what it wasn't going to be in there and

560
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:41,360
i think that was one of those things

561
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,200
back earlier in the year when we started

562
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,360
hearing about crash retriever crash

563
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,520
retrieval articles and such

564
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,120
what may or may not have been within

565
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,679
those and i don't think it's uh

566
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,840
a secret that ralph and his colleagues

567
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:55,840
were unhappy at the internet hype that

568
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,159
went on at the time and has continued

569
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:00,480
around some of these pieces and it can

570
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,720
be really really detrimental to what

571
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,960
eventually does get in just because of

572
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:07,039
the way it was discussed online

573
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,559
is that fair though dan do you think

574
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,640
that's something that

575
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,200
people should hold back on because how

576
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:14,799
can they get the general public and

577
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:17,600
general population online to not discuss

578
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,120
these things

579
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:21,039
yeah absolutely i think the the issue

580
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:22,559
was

581
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:23,520
that

582
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,760
someone posted a live stream when when

583
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:27,520
ralph was talking to someone about that

584
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,720
uh the wilson davis documents and um

585
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,320
the notes and the conversation from that

586
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:34,799
live stream uh got out and they were

587
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,559
discussed and

588
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:38,000
it generated kind of a lot of

589
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,080
expectation and as we all know big hype

590
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,600
big let down um and for me it was great

591
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,440
to hear ralph say say that it was never

592
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:48,159
in the article um and it was interesting

593
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:49,600
and something

594
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,039
that i think we all

595
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,799
you know we all care about we don't want

596
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:54,480
to negatively affect the discussion of

597
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,320
this subject um in the community so

598
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,960
it's it's something to take to heart his

599
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,120
little rant you know like it's great to

600
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:05,120
have exciting news but

601
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,640
sometimes we should buy our tongues and

602
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:08,640
let it develop how it does

603
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,919
yeah and you know even even to know both

604
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:13,840
a large part of what ralph's work has

605
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,640
been focused on with the book uh and his

606
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,000
article in the debrief is on

607
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,799
experiencers people who have either a

608
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,039
physical or non-physical

609
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:26,080
experience with beings craft or

610
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,200
otherwise

611
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:29,280
it's a really sensitive subject because

612
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,559
they can go through some really

613
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:33,200
traumatic and harrowing experiences we

614
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,039
hear so much about these you know

615
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,120
positive experiences but you hear about

616
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,080
as many negative ones as well um

617
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,320
all sorts of theories are thrown about

618
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,320
you know whether these are based off of

619
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:47,279
some childhood trauma or that they don't

620
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,960
actually happen that their dreams but

621
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,640
there just seems to be a lot of evidence

622
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:52,799
that you know what there are some people

623
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,520
that do have a very real and genuine

624
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,679
experience whether that is a physical or

625
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,760
non-physical one that happens

626
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:01,520
what is your take on on the abduction

627
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:05,279
phenomenon phenomenon itself anyway

628
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:06,640
it's it's really interesting i don't

629
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,279
think it's as clear-cut necessarily as

630
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,039
something comes from another planet and

631
00:24:14,190 --> 00:24:13,039
swoops someone up in a in a you know a

632
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:14,200
light beam um

633
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,360
[Music]

634
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,840
a lot of these

635
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,799
uh

636
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:20,960
to do with consciousness and you know

637
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,600
people are in in kind of beds and their

638
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,000
partners kind of disappear from their

639
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:28,559
view and it's almost like it happens in

640
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:31,120
the same space as dreaming which is what

641
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,400
you know we always think of when we

642
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,480
think of kind of the astral plane and

643
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:36,400
lucid dreaming and sleep paralysis and

644
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,279
all those things um and

645
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,279
i i'm intrigued by the the research

646
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:44,000
currently going on with um psilocybin

647
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,520
and use there because a lot of the same

648
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,440
patterns are coming up so i think we're

649
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,760
starting to kind of get a grasp on some

650
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,240
kind of new language we can use to talk

651
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,000
about these things

652
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,480
we spoke to dr andre gallimore a couple

653
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,039
of months ago on psychedelics and

654
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,360
gateway drugs as they're commonly known

655
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,360
and like you say there almost seems to

656
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:05,679
be potentially that space and between

657
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:07,919
being in a deep sleep or a dream and

658
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,320
being awake that maybe it isn't just

659
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,480
your your brain fighting off all sorts

660
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,159
of random connections as you kind of

661
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,080
reset during the night but

662
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,559
maybe your conscious mind

663
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:20,400
is something that very much can go

664
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,679
places as well and potentially there are

665
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:25,440
people who are having abduction

666
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,919
experiences that we talked about the

667
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:29,520
example dan you said let people see

668
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,039
their partners disappear from their bed

669
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,360
beside them but equally you could

670
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:35,360
potentially see your partner in bed the

671
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,559
whole evening

672
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,320
or asleep on the couch and they are

673
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,000
having some kind of non-physical

674
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:42,799
abduction experience where the mind goes

675
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,279
but the body doesn't

676
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,360
it's so difficult though to we're going

677
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,120
to look at i mean the p word the proof

678
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,039
word where is the proof that that

679
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,440
happens where is the evidence because

680
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:55,200
you look at all the evidence and proof

681
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,400
we have of

682
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:59,760
you know craft or potentially beings

683
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,240
multiple witness accounts of stories not

684
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:04,000
just the more recent military ones but

685
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,200
you talk about the aerial skill

686
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,679
phenomenon rendulsham all that sort of

687
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,440
stuff and you would say there's a lot

688
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:11,760
more evidence for that happening

689
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,559
but it's still scrutinized massively

690
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,440
even roswell to use the biggest one ever

691
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,120
so how do you start to have a

692
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,080
conversation in a serious mainstream

693
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:24,880
fashion for something that is literally

694
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:27,600
almost always one person's narrative or

695
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:29,360
story

696
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,559
well we're seeing a kind of

697
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,799
similar similar thing we need to do in

698
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,720
in the kind of i'd say nut and bolts

699
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,799
area you know we've gone from something

700
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,039
that's very stigma attached to now using

701
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,880
language that we have

702
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:44,960
five observables to describe you know

703
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,120
what these craft are doing we all kind

704
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:48,960
of have learned all sorts of military

705
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:51,679
terminology and so on so forth to be

706
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:54,240
able to discuss what happens when these

707
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,679
encounters happen

708
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:57,840
and we kind of need the same thing for

709
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,320
abductions so if it's something

710
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,400
consciousness-based and consciousness is

711
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:04,799
this incredibly you know wonderful thing

712
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:06,799
that's everywhere like like a lot of

713
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,039
people seem to think um

714
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:11,039
then we need to be able to measure that

715
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:12,159
somehow

716
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,679
and you know it used to be that we

717
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,200
couldn't measure brainwaves at all but

718
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,880
now i have this little doohickey that i

719
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,320
can hook up to my phone and put on my

720
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,240
head and you know it's like this million

721
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:22,240
pound ecg that

722
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:23,120
um

723
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:27,120
that

724
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,919
is now just a home and

725
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:31,919
those kind of technological advances

726
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,799
allow us to just measure more there was

727
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,559
a time where we didn't think gravity

728
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,240
waves were real but now they're a de

729
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,720
facto thing same with black holes you

730
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,320
know they were just hypothesized and we

731
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,080
only recently got a picture of it to say

732
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,399
look this is an actual real thing but

733
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:48,000
there was this big period of time where

734
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:49,520
people still believed in black holes you

735
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:52,640
know and and it's in that kind of

736
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,919
space that we need people figuring out

737
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:58,320
just how how we talk about this and how

738
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,039
we gather the data we need to because

739
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,919
setting up webcams in people's rooms

740
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,080
to to see if they get abducted might not

741
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,640
show anything at all you know

742
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,960
now people far more qualified and far

743
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:12,960
more articulate than myself have

744
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,679
discussed and written and blogged made

745
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,360
made you know documentaries about this

746
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,600
subject something i'm i've been thinking

747
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,919
about though dan is you know we look at

748
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,440
the case studies within ralph

749
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,760
blumenthal's article on the debrief

750
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,360
which i i would encourage people to

751
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,760
check out these are from your your

752
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,000
common everyday people

753
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,159
are we or do you think i suppose i have

754
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,000
to ask you that

755
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,000
the same beings

756
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,480
or entities that are involved in these

757
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,480
sorts of experiences

758
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,399
are related are the same ones that are

759
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:47,039
buzzing military craft in the u.s

760
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,720
because i've never heard of people being

761
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,360
abducted by a tic-tac

762
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:53,520
it's i mean it's a very very very good

763
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,279
question and it's there there is

764
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,960
there's data for this somewhere we know

765
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:00,480
the satellites are up there so if you

766
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:01,760
know a craft was coming down and doing

767
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,880
something it would have been tracked um

768
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:06,240
traditionally we think of it's the same

769
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,000
thing but you're right you know we we've

770
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:10,240
never really seen anyone or heard of

771
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,919
anyone abducted by

772
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,159
you know a big white cigar i guess um

773
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,399
those tends to just float but

774
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,240
i don't know the these these ships seems

775
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,760
to have seemed to have different

776
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,679
functions so

777
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,360
maybe the techniques can't do that you

778
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,360
know yes you mentioned that and that's

779
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:27,440
something louis elizondo talked about on

780
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,120
his interview we've mentioned several

781
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,760
times with terry wurtz the the astronaut

782
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,640
where

783
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,559
potentially these different craft do

784
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,120
serve different functions and purposes

785
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,880
and again there's a whole conversation

786
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,559
around are they aware of each other you

787
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,799
know lou thinks they are related given

788
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,640
the propulsion systems they all use are

789
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:45,919
one in the same

790
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,799
like all our all our vehicles are very

791
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,360
much driven by you fossil fuels but they

792
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,520
look very different from

793
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,200
motorbikes

794
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,640
aircraft

795
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:58,880
you know we we have

796
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,440
um you know standard kind of petrol oil

797
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,200
engine vehicles all over the world but

798
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,799
the cultures aren't the same and the way

799
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,159
the people are in the world aren't the

800
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,159
same you know so we could be looking at

801
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,240
something like that

802
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,760
do you think there's a good chance then

803
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,600
that the governments of the world who

804
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,360
are interested in this where we're

805
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,279
probably talking predominantly here the

806
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,440
the u.s government that they have an

807
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,880
awareness of

808
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,039
if you see a saucer that's something you

809
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,120
should be wary of if you see a tic-tac

810
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,039
not so weary you know it makes me think

811
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:29,120
of the the the venom movie that's coming

812
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,640
out let there be carnage because i've

813
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,720
seen in the very quick trailer for that

814
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,399
where he goes oh

815
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:37,279
s-h-i-t that's a red one and there's

816
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:38,559
that awareness that you know what

817
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,200
they're from the same sort of family but

818
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,039
this is a bad one and i just wonder do

819
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:45,279
you have governments that know

820
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,880
triangles are a bit wary sauces are bad

821
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,480
tic tacs are empty

822
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:52,159
etc etc do you think there's a good

823
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:53,440
chance of that or do you think they

824
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,960
really don't know

825
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,080
i think there's a good chance that

826
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:57,840
there's some kind of differentiation

827
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,640
there

828
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,559
you know

829
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,080
these craft might be mysterious but

830
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,080
their behavior is something that you can

831
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,919
see so if we're talking about something

832
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,919
like say the clarisse event where you

833
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,600
had orbs going through walls and burning

834
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:11,760
people you know we're talking different

835
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,480
colored orbs so i think based on that if

836
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,320
i ever saw it say a red orb flowing

837
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,559
towards me i'd instinctively be like oh

838
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,080
red is warning let's back off from this

839
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,159
thing you know but it's not necessarily

840
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,480
correct because you know for example the

841
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,399
rentals from craft we we didn't really

842
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,559
get any importance of color associated

843
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:30,960
with warning there it was just a light

844
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,519
so it's interesting nature seems to

845
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:35,760
signal through colors um so i don't i

846
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:38,000
don't think that's completely

847
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,440
off the mark you know

848
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:41,600
yeah i tend to think that when you hear

849
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,000
about senators congressmen and women

850
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,159
being briefed that this is the sort of

851
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:48,159
stuff that they maybe get that that is

852
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,760
that next level up

853
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,279
for example talking them through that

854
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:53,760
there are various shapes that we have

855
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,240
you know on record on film we have this

856
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,919
we have this we have this

857
00:32:01,830 --> 00:32:00,000
and they probably get told we have an

858
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:01,840
understanding or assumption that these

859
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:04,559
craft perform this function we have an

860
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:06,720
understanding as chris mellon once said

861
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:09,120
that the triangular craft are performing

862
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,559
some sort of i was just going to mention

863
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:13,120
that yeah absolutely always one of my

864
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,720
favorite things from his conversation

865
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,559
with with david mahler whose book is on

866
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:18,720
the the pile just here on on black

867
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,159
triangular ufos so i i think that will

868
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,679
be the sort of discussion that goes on

869
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,840
in these briefings i i don't doubt these

870
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,600
briefings

871
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:29,039
these these you know high-ranking

872
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,640
politicians probably ask so we're

873
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,640
dealing with aliens where are they from

874
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,480
i imagine they're told at that point we

875
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,840
don't know we can't answer those

876
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,000
questions but what they are told is a

877
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:40,240
little bit more information on size of

878
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,760
craft shape of craft and assumptions of

879
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,760
that functionality and i think i mean

880
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:47,679
that would be fascinating just to hear

881
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:48,640
that

882
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:51,519
yeah yeah maybe the next uap task force

883
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,080
report that comes out whoever whoever

884
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,720
knows when if that happens but

885
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,120
i'd like to see that in the conversation

886
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,360
do you foresee down a time in the near

887
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,320
future where experiencers

888
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:06,320
are going to have their say or do you

889
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,840
think we're still a ways away from that

890
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:11,120
think we're a bit

891
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,640
we're away from it but i don't think

892
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,120
we're as far away as people think

893
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:17,519
you know we we're at the point now where

894
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:20,559
we've been told uap are real and i'm not

895
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,679
talking

896
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:23,519
when i say that to my my friends they go

897
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,559
well of course they're real they're just

898
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,799
unidentified things in the sky and i

899
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,399
always emphasize to them no no this is a

900
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:30,240
bit more granular than yeah that you

901
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:31,360
know it's not just something in the sky

902
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:32,640
they haven't looked at it's something in

903
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,679
the sky that has you know radar data um

904
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,679
it has eyewitnesses it has all these

905
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,919
different things associated with it that

906
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,919
show that it's not what

907
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:43,679
that sentence is getting at you know

908
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:46,480
when when we say uap we mean like the

909
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,110
yeah and i suppose dan's told you why we

910
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,919
called it the other show um

911
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,919
the idea that these beings are referred

912
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,519
to as the others

913
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,600
in various different forms and ways

914
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,279
that's the reason behind it so if you

915
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,200
thought the maybe andy was just being

916
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,880
really lazy and calling it the other

917
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,800
show that they do that there was a

918
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,639
little bit of thinking behind it folks

919
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:12,240
listen you can check out that ralph

920
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,839
blumenthal interview be done back in

921
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,320
april it's available on audio platforms

922
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,119
and on youtube as well you can also

923
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,040
check out our latest interview which is

924
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,520
out available now it should be episode

925
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:26,000
62 if you search that on the podcast

926
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,000
feeds as well and we talk about ralph's

927
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:30,079
article with the debrief and like dan

928
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,839
discuss some of those highlights as well

929
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,679
that's available wherever you can get

930
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,760
your podcasts too so please check that

931
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,599
one out and we also mentioned ross

932
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:39,119
coulthart center if you you may or may

933
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,639
not be aware but we did speak to him

934
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,040
very recently very candid a lot of

935
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,440
information and some new nuggets in

936
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:47,280
there as well so please do go and check

937
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,520
that one out again audio or youtube it's

938
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,240
very i will also emphasize that ross has

939
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:54,000
since been told he can't talk about

940
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,760
something he said in that interview so

941
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,440
be sure to check it out

942
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,119
so not being as easy to do with the

943
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:02,240
frequencies um of the track craft um but

944
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:04,000
yeah go go listen to us in his own words

945
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,359
talk about it the chapters are all there

946
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,359
so you can skip to it he got into a

947
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,880
little bit of trouble didn't he but you

948
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,640
know that's we're not to blame for that

949
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,720
and neither is he it sounds like he went

950
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,000
a little bit further than he was

951
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,560
expected to or even he expected to go

952
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,480
himself i don't think it was the men in

953
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,079
black though so i don't think there's

954
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,160
need for anyone to you know go the

955
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,079
government go to raz you know

956
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:26,079
nope and if you've got account of taking

957
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,599
a shot for every time dan hits his

958
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:29,520
microphone

959
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:31,040
take two shots because he's just done it

960
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:32,720
twice he'd done it about three times

961
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,800
before we hit record as well very handy

962
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:38,800
moving on to the last part of the show

963
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,520
for today it flies by um we have a bit

964
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:43,119
of a listener section and i want to try

965
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,560
and make sure the last third of each

966
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,640
show our last part of the show is over

967
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,880
to you the listener the viewer get in

968
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:49,920
touch with the show all the

969
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:51,920
information's scrolling along the ticker

970
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,160
down the bottom as well um this is from

971
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,040
one of our patreons brian lemary now

972
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:59,280
brian sent us this over a piece of

973
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,119
footage that you may or may not be

974
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:02,960
familiar with that you might know as the

975
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,720
turkey ufo from 2008 to round about then

976
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:08,240
and i just want to share it with you so

977
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,599
if you're if you're listening to this on

978
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,240
audio the the video will show you that

979
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,200
the footage as well but this is probably

980
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,520
my favorite piece of of ufo footage that

981
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,520
we've got out there um

982
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:22,079
i mean i love the tic tac gimbal go fast

983
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,359
there's various different bits of

984
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,200
footage but in terms of this one never

985
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,040
really being debunked

986
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,359
let's let's throw to it now okay

987
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,880
there's something very unique about this

988
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,640
one as well isn't there

989
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:34,880
yeah i'm i've got a good feeling about

990
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,200
this one so let's bring it up uh now

991
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,680
so i'm going to start just start playing

992
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:43,040
okay

993
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,640
so we won't play the audio within the

994
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,079
video because then you'll hear the audio

995
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,079
over ourselves that the link for this

996
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:49,839
will be in the description but this was

997
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:52,560
filmed as you can see by camcorder back

998
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,800
in uh may of 2008 and before we had

999
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,280
stabilization technology clearly

1000
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,520
yeah but listen let's be honest

1001
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,000
looking yeah given that the the distance

1002
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:05,839
this is filmed at and the zooming in and

1003
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,640
out it's probably as as good or as you

1004
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,640
would get on a camera phone yeah

1005
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,160
especially especially you know at that

1006
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:14,320
time as well and i i'm fairly sure these

1007
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,119
were vhs cams as well yeah

1008
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,280
it looks like you're old if you're a

1009
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,640
i think they had it in the us as well

1010
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:22,720
but you've been framed type

1011
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,680
yeah

1012
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,280
oh i remember seeing a few photos and

1013
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,040
there was a long telephoto lens on the

1014
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,800
front of the camera so

1015
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:30,160
you know the the person who filmed it

1016
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,599
certainly didn't skimp because this

1017
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,280
happened over multiple nights right and

1018
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,440
they had the camera set up filming them

1019
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:37,440
yeah it happens there's quite a that's

1020
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,640
quite a long clip and we're not going to

1021
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:39,680
play the full thing you know we've got

1022
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,640
limited time here on on kg ra but to be

1023
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,359
fair the one of the the debunking

1024
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,760
hypotheses was that this was a cruise

1025
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,920
liner and just because of the darkness

1026
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:52,000
and the position it's the front of the

1027
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,520
ship and

1028
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,920
you're seeing what is basically the

1029
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,599
where they're steering the ship from and

1030
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:00,079
that you can see the the crew in there

1031
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,839
as well i i don't see this at all being

1032
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,280
a cruise liner i get what they're trying

1033
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:07,520
to get at but this looks to me like

1034
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:10,560
there is some sort of craft in there

1035
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,599
um

1036
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,680
and it does i know some people say

1037
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,920
otherwise but i think you can definitely

1038
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,520
see in some of these clips that the

1039
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:19,119
beings they point at in the front as

1040
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:20,160
well

1041
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,359
i don't know if that's a bit of as a

1042
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:23,200
paradolia done

1043
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,560
that's right that's the right term

1044
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:26,720
seeing like you know mary's face in

1045
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,680
toast

1046
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:29,359
yeah so

1047
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,720
what's your immediate thoughts down on

1048
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:33,119
on the footage itself well

1049
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,320
you know

1050
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,920
when whenever you see footage like this

1051
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:37,920
you have to be sure you can't just jump

1052
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,400
in and go it's ufo and double down you

1053
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:42,560
have to explore the other options and

1054
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,280
the the theory there it's a cruise ship

1055
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,800
was an interesting one because sometimes

1056
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,320
the horizon complete tricks on you you

1057
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:50,079
know we have the phenomena such as the

1058
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,599
flashing green light and things like

1059
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,960
that just things that we don't

1060
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,359
understand that happen um you know at

1061
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:57,839
the horizon um i forget the name of it

1062
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:00,079
now but there's one that kind of makes

1063
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:01,680
things on the horizon appear slightly

1064
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,760
above the horizon it looks like the

1065
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,920
famous one recently of the ship floating

1066
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,680
um oh that's right okay so this is the

1067
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,760
one i think so i think this is the one

1068
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:11,920
that people basically say you can see

1069
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,880
the beings here yes that's right

1070
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:15,839
for me

1071
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,640
i've got to say the scale is always off

1072
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,800
but i fully admit that that's just my

1073
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,280
brain looking at something that

1074
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:25,119
you know my expectations are in play

1075
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,920
there

1076
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,800
that the size of the ship ratio like the

1077
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:30,640
heads just look too big

1078
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,440
you know

1079
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:34,160
but again that's that's i i guess that's

1080
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,680
my artistic side coming out and kind of

1081
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:37,200
go no this is how it should look and

1082
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:38,480
they should be this proportion to the

1083
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,640
ship but truly if that is a genuine ufo

1084
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:44,160
you know our brains can't process what

1085
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,950
and you know i've said this before dan

1086
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:49,920
that

1087
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:52,560
you don't know what a true ufo looks

1088
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,359
like or what these beings may look like

1089
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:57,760
like you're assuming well if that was a

1090
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,400
huge ship then the beings themselves

1091
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:02,320
would have a decent sized ceiling above

1092
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,760
them but maybe that's enough room maybe

1093
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,599
that's all they need maybe it's like a

1094
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,839
tardis and i'm just not experiencing the

1095
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,520
inside the same way they are you know

1096
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,760
you've went full geek already like just

1097
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,760
into the first episode hey

1098
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:15,040
it's a good way of talking about these

1099
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,560
things because there are a lot of ideas

1100
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,839
packed into

1101
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,520
the tardis you know

1102
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,800
and you know what it could be an

1103
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,880
observation deck it could be just where

1104
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,720
they're walking to it may be that that's

1105
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,800
about as much room as they have it could

1106
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:28,960
be that they're they're pretty tall

1107
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,040
and yeah it's just yeah it could be all

1108
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,200
sorts of things but it's yeah you have

1109
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,640
to keep an open mind and if you're going

1110
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:36,400
to humanize all this stuff that's where

1111
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:37,760
you can start to struggle because you

1112
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,960
start to think

1113
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,760
well

1114
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:41,599
we would have it bigger or that's not

1115
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,480
what that would look like we don't know

1116
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,960
we we still do not have as much as there

1117
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,640
is a lot of great evidence and there's

1118
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:50,240
stuff i believe and stuff i don't

1119
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,920
believe to be et ut crypto terrestrial

1120
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,760
whatever you want to call it i think

1121
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,119
when you look at footage you've got to

1122
00:41:02,950 --> 00:40:59,359
understand that we do not have one

1123
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,960
single piece of footage that is 100

1124
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,200
confirmed to be a craft of non-human

1125
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,920
origin we have like the the gimbal go

1126
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,920
fast stuff that we hope or we think is

1127
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,920
given what we've heard about it and they

1128
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,240
do some incredible things but until we

1129
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,560
get that you know this is definitely

1130
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,640
non-human and here's how we know then

1131
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,800
you can't really put together kanye that

1132
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,720
wirecraft as or isn't

1133
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:24,400
looking the way it does

1134
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:27,680
no not at all and and alex diatric and

1135
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,480
dave fraver they they speak to this um

1136
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,880
they all say that the tic-tac was moving

1137
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:35,040
weirdly and within you know a split

1138
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,119
second you just knew that's not how

1139
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,880
things we make move you know and you

1140
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:40,640
your brain just can't quite grapple with

1141
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:41,520
it

1142
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,880
yeah um

1143
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,640
so dan i'm just going to ask you you're

1144
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:45,920
not allowed to sit on the fence with

1145
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:49,119
this one if you had to land on the side

1146
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:50,400
of this is

1147
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,760
definitely

1148
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:54,000
non-human or exotic technology shall we

1149
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,280
put it that way i mean they could be

1150
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,800
humans for all we know in the front of

1151
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,200
that or can i pick one of the five

1152
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,640
buckets

1153
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:02,400
ah go on

1154
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,599
because i would pour it in the other

1155
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,319
bucket comfortably okay you know it just

1156
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,960
doesn't there's nothing in this for me

1157
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,880
to comfortably put it in you know it's

1158
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:13,200
american tech it's yada yada tech just

1159
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,720
to me this is something other

1160
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,040
cool so you think we've got something

1161
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,760
anomalous shall we say yeah yeah

1162
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,119
absolutely you know this is definitely

1163
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,880
something that if it happened now this

1164
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:27,200
video would be sent to the uaptf they'd

1165
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,119
be looking at it right

1166
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,440
and let's be honest if this is truly

1167
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,400
anomalous then it's it's some of if not

1168
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,119
the best footage ever recorded

1169
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,760
yeah and and i mean the the event itself

1170
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,839
shows a trend of the beings coming and

1171
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:43,280
observing from the same place every

1172
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,640
single night where they could be seen

1173
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,079
you know that that's a that's an

1174
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,480
interesting trend in and of itself

1175
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:50,480
yeah so the the cruise ship thing as

1176
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,520
well

1177
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,160
ships have transponders and

1178
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,880
this is 2008 like

1179
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:58,079
if it was a cruise ship they would have

1180
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,359
known it was a cruise ship they would

1181
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,800
have been able to see the transponder

1182
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,960
and even if not it was all over the news

1183
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:04,480
at the time so the cruise company would

1184
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,680
have come forward and gone whoop that

1185
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,079
was uh sorry you know yeah do you know

1186
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:09,839
something that i'll just share there

1187
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,800
something i thought was quite

1188
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,280
interesting from the actual

1189
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:15,280
uh footage itself i'll stop sharing it

1190
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,720
now because i will we've had to look at

1191
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,359
it enough is some of the comments from

1192
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,119
people who are turkish if you watch the

1193
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,280
video you'll hear that the audio and it

1194
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,960
is in their native language and a few

1195
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,480
people who are turkish themselves have

1196
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,640
commented on the video than to say um

1197
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,480
the things they talk about in the video

1198
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:33,040
are extremely real and authentic

1199
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,720
not in any order

1200
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:36,640
what the hell is this you've got it zoom

1201
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:39,200
in zoom in i swear it's on the water

1202
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,280
look it's below the moon it looks like a

1203
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:43,280
dot to the naked eye so they were they

1204
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,720
weren't seeing what we were seeing on

1205
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,160
the video with their naked eye they were

1206
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:47,680
seeing a dot but they were filling they

1207
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,200
were filming it and that's that's

1208
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,520
another good point we always find this

1209
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:53,040
right you know you know if you go out

1210
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,560
and try and take a picture of the moon

1211
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,720
on a clear night when it's a full moon

1212
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,319
it always looks crap

1213
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,520
you know what you see with your eyes

1214
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,960
isn't what you see with the camera so

1215
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,480
you've always got to do exactly what

1216
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,480
you're saying now but go on

1217
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,480
no no that that's it so for me you know

1218
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,720
what i absolutely will land on the side

1219
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:11,040
of that being a a piece of footage that

1220
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,240
is

1221
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:14,960
anomalous so yeah thanks for that one

1222
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,839
brian lemare uh listen folks i would

1223
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,280
love for more people to get in touch

1224
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,640
with us especially if you're if you're

1225
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:21,839
new to the show as well and you're

1226
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:24,960
joining us for the first time on kg ra

1227
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,520
then get in touch via instagram

1228
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,920
facebook twitter is probably the one

1229
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:31,359
that we're on the most we're always on

1230
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,400
the ufo twitter at dm or email the

1231
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,280
podcast at ufouapam

1232
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,000
gmail.com and we will review your

1233
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,800
footage discuss your own points or just

1234
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,560
answer any questions that you might have

1235
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,480
for ourselves as well

1236
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,800
moving on we had mikey mikey again as

1237
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,560
one of the patreons who's over on our

1238
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,200
discord server as well so hi to mikey

1239
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,079
recently we spoke to roscoe tucked and a

1240
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,920
really popular interview ross was

1241
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,920
excellent on that as well he spoke about

1242
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,160
a lot very passionately and it was a

1243
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,560
real pleasure to to speak to him if you

1244
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,400
have i'm sure you've heard of it but

1245
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,119
we've got ross's book in plain sight

1246
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,880
absolutely probably that the book of the

1247
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:12,720
year in terms of of ufos it's been a

1248
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:14,160
long time

1249
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:16,560
yeah it's really distilled

1250
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,760
because it's

1251
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:19,200
you know no no one's gonna yell at me

1252
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,800
for saying that these uh these are muddy

1253
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,960
waters in this subject and and i think

1254
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,480
ross did a really good job of kind of

1255
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,160
filtering that muck out and and

1256
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,240
narrowing people's focus in you know to

1257
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,920
where we need to be looking do you know

1258
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:31,280
what and i don't think you'll mind me

1259
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,880
saying this but there was so much

1260
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,640
brought up in the body of the interview

1261
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,640
that that some people who are very well

1262
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,480
versed on the subject

1263
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,720
chipped in to say that ross isn't

1264
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,960
necessarily bringing up

1265
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:44,560
everything that's brand new there's a

1266
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,240
lot of stuff that ross is new to in this

1267
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,560
subject and he finds for the first time

1268
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,000
but he's done the digging off the back

1269
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:52,160
of it as well and and for example there

1270
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:56,160
was a talk of a crashed craft in mexico

1271
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,960
and ryan sprague who is also on kg ra

1272
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,319
with somewhere in the skies had

1273
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:01,760
mentioned that he had actually done a

1274
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:04,640
show some time ago based on this this

1275
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:07,839
crashed craft and ryan and a tagged sh

1276
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,480
the show on it as well and i said to

1277
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:12,240
ryan you know what i hadn't heard of

1278
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:13,040
that

1279
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,680
this is ross is bringing a whole new

1280
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,760
audience into this as well with his

1281
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:22,000
credibility and mainstream credentials

1282
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,839
what that is allowing people to do

1283
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:26,160
though is go and find

1284
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,920
information and find cases that they

1285
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,839
didn't even know before i would love to

1286
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,520
think that off the back of of ross

1287
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,200
bringing that up and people even like

1288
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,359
myself who wasn't aware of that case

1289
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,200
that i'll go and check out ryan's show

1290
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,520
and check out his deep dive into that

1291
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,760
and again anything he brings up people

1292
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,440
come into it and go check out people's

1293
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,440
shows with louie elizondo other

1294
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:47,440
journalists like ralph blumenthal leslie

1295
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,960
kane george knapp obviously famously so

1296
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,720
that's a real benefit of something like

1297
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,200
in plain sight bringing together a lot

1298
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:57,119
of well-known information in a very

1299
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,800
concise way it hits a nice tone but also

1300
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,319
there's a lot of new information in

1301
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:04,240
there that because ross is hearing it

1302
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:05,520
for the first time

1303
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,359
he's maybe not had that confirmation

1304
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:08,960
bias that other people would have that

1305
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:11,280
well this definitely happened this way

1306
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,960
ross hears that the outline of it and

1307
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,880
decides you know what i want to know

1308
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,720
more and he goes and speaks to those big

1309
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:18,400
players as well and i think that's a

1310
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,559
really good thing the book does

1311
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:22,640
yeah absolutely um

1312
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:23,680
ross

1313
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,800
he he used what we call snail mail um

1314
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,559
because there's i i don't know if you

1315
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:30,079
know this um

1316
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:31,520
he did an investigation into phone

1317
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,960
hacking um and found that pretty much

1318
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:36,160
any

1319
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,839
encryption that we have on our devices

1320
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:39,599
can be easily broken and and this

1321
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,119
investigation was a while ago and it

1322
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:43,760
includes signal as well so just a heads

1323
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,319
up um ross is a very experienced

1324
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,880
researcher um he does the right thing by

1325
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:50,319
the public and

1326
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:52,240
you know speaks the truth out loud which

1327
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:54,559
which a lot of people don't do um so

1328
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,480
yeah huge respect for ross and the

1329
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,319
amount of lag work he puts in

1330
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,319
well one of the talking points dan that

1331
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,040
ross brought up uh was picked up on by

1332
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,079
mikey over on patreon and he said to us

1333
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,319
that he would love for us to explore the

1334
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:10,640
future human hypothesis presented by

1335
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,599
ross kiltart recently and how we would

1336
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,800
or could be in a future confrontation um

1337
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,040
are they meddling with us now to impact

1338
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:21,599
the timeline to their benefit ross did a

1339
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,359
tweet where it's been made possible in

1340
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,760
theory this could happen personally uh

1341
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,920
mikey prefers the alien hypothesis

1342
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,000
because you know it's i think he's just

1343
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:32,240
a bit attached to it but the the future

1344
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,950
is relatively it's not new but it's

1345
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,160
something that more and more we're

1346
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,559
hearing brought up by by officials and

1347
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:44,960
being discussed as a real possibility

1348
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:48,160
where are you on this one

1349
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,960
um

1350
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:50,960
i really like the idea i recently

1351
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,599
uh finished watching fringe and this

1352
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,520
seems kind of right up that street and

1353
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:58,160
the idea in fringe is that and and

1354
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:59,280
there's a lot of crossover i'm not

1355
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:00,400
saying that it's true it's just a way of

1356
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:03,760
talking about it um that time happens

1357
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,240
future past present happens all at once

1358
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,160
um and because the universe is infinite

1359
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,480
every possible future and every

1360
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:11,920
permutation of the past and present

1361
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,920
happens too um and in the show fringe

1362
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,079
one of those possible futures

1363
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,920
is full of

1364
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,880
kind of

1365
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:23,280
to us they would look alien but they use

1366
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,559
a lot of tech they've lost their

1367
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,800
emotions and they're coming back to the

1368
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,960
present to ensure that this is the

1369
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,559
timeline that exists

1370
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,960
i think that's a really interesting idea

1371
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,000
um

1372
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,160
it could be in play for you know reverse

1373
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,640
reveal yourselves too soon and you don't

1374
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,960
get the right timeline and there's all

1375
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:42,960
these interesting implications to to

1376
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,079
that idea um but we should be you know

1377
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,319
the word alien um

1378
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,720
it means a certain thing and and humans

1379
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,040
could still be alien to us if i rock

1380
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,520
back with my iphone uh a hundred years

1381
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,800
i'm fairly sure someone would shout

1382
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,880
witch or alien to me you know

1383
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,280
maybe not which but yeah yeah

1384
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,880
we we had the discussion a while ago

1385
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,640
didn't we when louis elizondo was on the

1386
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,520
podcast about his mankind or mankind's

1387
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,839
and he mentioned an analogy about a

1388
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,000
cigarette or cigar burning and if people

1389
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,160
haven't heard it what lou said was that

1390
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:17,520
if you imagine a you know cigar and

1391
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:18,640
the bit that's

1392
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:21,040
burning is the burned away but is the

1393
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:22,000
past

1394
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,200
that you've then got the bit that's

1395
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,200
still to burn and that is the future we

1396
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,119
live in the cherry that is smoking at

1397
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:29,040
the moment and that is the present but

1398
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:31,119
when you look at it it's not symmetrical

1399
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,640
and it will just you know be like i can

1400
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,079
have jagged line with some bits

1401
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,400
overlapping and he's saying what if

1402
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:37,920
there was something else that could

1403
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:40,720
experience that overlap that they were

1404
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,160
living like a linear a to b timeline

1405
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,400
we're talking here like the analogy is

1406
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,720
addressing quantum stuff because quantum

1407
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,880
stuff is just the smallest stuff that

1408
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,720
exists so it's okay it's called the

1409
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,960
planck length and basically you you can

1410
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:56,079
do it with a ruler as well if you

1411
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,599
imagine a centimeter measurement we can

1412
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,440
break that into 10 millimeters but we

1413
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:01,119
can break those 10 millimeters smaller

1414
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,400
and we can break those smaller and

1415
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:04,079
smaller and we just keep going until we

1416
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:05,599
get to the smallest possible thing in

1417
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:06,880
the universe

1418
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:11,040
where you know we realize hold on

1419
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:12,559
back there we were okay with 10

1420
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,319
millimeters and now our measurements are

1421
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,760
so much crazier and there's all this

1422
00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:17,599
stuff in between we never appreciate it

1423
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,540
i hit my mic again

1424
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:21,359
[Laughter]

1425
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,480
and yeah so i just wanted to kind of you

1426
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:25,599
know put a pin in that and say we're

1427
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,920
talking quantum stuff our brains and

1428
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,359
bodies seem to do quantum stuff

1429
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:31,200
something that blew my mind that i

1430
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,800
didn't appreciate is you you know just

1431
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,880
the process of photosynthesis that you

1432
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,480
learn about in school that's a quantum

1433
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:38,960
process plants make food for themselves

1434
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:42,160
through quantum transformation and

1435
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:44,000
that sounds like a vague phrase because

1436
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,680
we don't really know how they do it we

1437
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:46,880
just kind of get to and go it's a

1438
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:48,800
quantum thing it works really well you

1439
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,760
know dan let me ask though

1440
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,359
people have mentioned i've seen some of

1441
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:55,680
the conversations around us online that

1442
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,240
if it as future humans we've got us

1443
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,880
coming from the future or a future to

1444
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:03,040
now then that's a good sign that we're

1445
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,720
okay we've not been wiped out we've not

1446
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,559
wiped ourselves out that's not

1447
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:09,359
necessarily true though is it no no not

1448
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:13,200
at all it's not at all true uh

1449
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:14,480
yeah we don't know what we're going to

1450
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:16,000
look like in the future i really like

1451
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,280
the work of michael masters because he

1452
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,440
kind of extrapolates from our past what

1453
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,200
we're going to look like into the future

1454
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,520
um there were also some nasa studies

1455
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,920
done where they looked at kind of the

1456
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,440
aging process and what was happening to

1457
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,440
astronauts when they were in space and

1458
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:31,599
generally the eyes get bigger the brain

1459
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,960
gets bigger our bodies with her away and

1460
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,400
you can kind of see that i'm just

1461
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,480
describing a gray at this point right

1462
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:40,240
like you know you jump a thousand years

1463
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,280
into the future and that's what you're

1464
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,720
looking at once we've been out traveling

1465
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,559
in space um

1466
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:46,559
so it's a really really intriguing

1467
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,359
hypothesis to me and

1468
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,680
in a way i'd kind of be like ah that's a

1469
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,520
bit boring i was hoping for aliens but

1470
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:55,839
it's still this incredible thing right i

1471
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,599
mean yeah it could be a version of

1472
00:53:03,910 --> 00:52:59,680
humanity so far in the future coming

1473
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:03,920
back to look at us as a famous time and

1474
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,920
and on the earth where you know what

1475
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,920
there was a race of humans that really

1476
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,599
had a chance to do something and go

1477
00:53:13,829 --> 00:53:12,000
somewhere but they they mucked up

1478
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,839
massively via whether it's global

1479
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,440
warming whether it was climate change

1480
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,839
whether it was nuclear war you know

1481
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:19,920
viruses whatever it may be man-made

1482
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,240
viruses all that kind of stuff and

1483
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,920
they're coming back to look and

1484
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,599
basically see what did they do where did

1485
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:27,599
they go wrong like almost as a tourist

1486
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,400
attraction

1487
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,720
we we hear a lot um tom delang says a

1488
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,559
lot that we're being influenced you know

1489
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:34,800
directly indirectly in all sorts of ways

1490
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:36,160
by these guys

1491
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,839
can i just check is that tom delong

1492
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,559
famous guitarist from blink 182 yes

1493
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,880
correct talk along with things

1494
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:44,800
and angels and airwaves life falls out

1495
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,079
now

1496
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:47,680
that's what i'm that name from

1497
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:50,480
um but yeah he he speaks about how these

1498
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:53,119
things influence us um

1499
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:54,319
and

1500
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:55,119
we

1501
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:56,319
you know you've already addressed the

1502
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,960
fact that these machines are all looking

1503
00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,400
very different so we could be looking at

1504
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,319
multi multiple different timelines

1505
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,000
struggling to come into existence by

1506
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:07,119
influencing us in the past

1507
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,960
if you had to

1508
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,559
to pin it down and especially i think

1509
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,240
this is maybe a good place to do this on

1510
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,079
the first episode as we start to wrap up

1511
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,480
then the time has flown by

1512
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,440
where do you land on what is going on if

1513
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:21,119
i can ask the question that way you know

1514
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:22,800
what are we dealing with in terms of of

1515
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,280
ufos uaps flying saucers and all

1516
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,160
i think there is a mechanism

1517
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:35,030
telepathy and and all the weird

1518
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:36,720
anomalous stuff that we see in the

1519
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,760
universe

1520
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:40,000
and the mechanism is used by other forms

1521
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,599
of life in the universe to travel around

1522
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,200
and do everything that they do and i

1523
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,040
think it's just undiscovered to us but i

1524
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,280
think right now we're on the cusp of

1525
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:49,760
doing that um

1526
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:50,720
so

1527
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:52,880
yeah

1528
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,880
did i answer your question

1529
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,160
do you know what i will let the

1530
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,240
listeners and viewers of the show tell

1531
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,000
me if you have answered that question or

1532
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,400
not for sure too so i would love to kick

1533
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,720
off the next one um or in one of maybe

1534
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,480
show two or three just depending on when

1535
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,240
that will be in a couple of weeks time

1536
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,480
if you get in touch on twitter facebook

1537
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,400
instagram whatever the kids use these

1538
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:14,559
days don't use tick-tock because i'm not

1539
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,789
um anybody you can get in touch with is

1540
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,240
appreciated and let us know your

1541
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,160
thoughts we'd love some stuff for this

1542
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,400
listener section of the show again send

1543
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,000
us over links to your favorite footage

1544
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,680
if you want us to discuss and break that

1545
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,240
down any questions or talking points

1546
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,640
would be greatly appreciated as well

1547
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,559
anything you want to see as a segment on

1548
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,480
the show we're more than happy to give

1549
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,400
that a chance as well this will be fluid

1550
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:40,960
it'll evolve as we go along but we hope

1551
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,119
you've enjoyed very much this first one

1552
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,880
dan thank you

1553
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,319
thank you it's been a it's been great

1554
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,319
fun and thank you to everyone for for

1555
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,880
listening to our debut on kgra or

1556
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:52,880
watching if you're watching or watching

1557
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,760
yeah

1558
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,079
either or i i feel if you made it this

1559
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,400
far well done and we look forward to

1560
00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:00,000
seeing you again for sure too thanks

1561
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,440
very much folks

1562
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,520
that is all for this week's show thank

1563
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:05,520
you very much for listening please

1564
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,520
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1565
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